Comments on: Sunday, The Christian’s Day Of Worship http://bibleqna.com/debates/sunday-the-christians-day-of-worship/ You Ask The Questions, The Bible Gives The Answers Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:21:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: JeffB http://bibleqna.com/debates/sunday-the-christians-day-of-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-352 JeffB Tue, 11 May 2010 13:56:04 +0000 http://bibleqna.com/?p=158#comment-352 Indeed God Himself doesn't change. No one here ever said that He did. Also, the law was indeed perfect/complete for the purpose of which it was given. That was to bring man to a knowledge and understanding of sin (Romans 7:7), and to prepare man for Christ (Gal 3:24-25). When Christ came there was no more need for the Mosaic law. Also, Christ actually took the law, specifically the 10 commandments, and summed them up into 2 commandments: "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." -Matt 22:37-40 As for the change from Saturday/Sabbath to Sunday, I think Norm explained that pretty well. So, I encourage you to go back and read what he wrote about it. Indeed God Himself doesn’t change. No one here ever said that He did.
Also, the law was indeed perfect/complete for the purpose of which it was given. That was to bring man to a knowledge and understanding of sin (Romans 7:7), and to prepare man for Christ (Gal 3:24-25).
When Christ came there was no more need for the Mosaic law. Also, Christ actually took the law, specifically the 10 commandments, and summed them up into 2 commandments:
“Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” -Matt 22:37-40
As for the change from Saturday/Sabbath to Sunday, I think Norm explained that pretty well. So, I encourage you to go back and read what he wrote about it.

]]> By: b101 http://bibleqna.com/debates/sunday-the-christians-day-of-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-351 b101 Sat, 08 May 2010 03:35:43 +0000 http://bibleqna.com/?p=158#comment-351 Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. I would like to point out the two verses above to everyone. First Our Lord says He doesn't change and then He states that the law of the Lord is perfect. So why was it that the only commandment of the ten that identifies God as creator (His right of rule) of heaven and earth (His Domain) is the one commandment that needed changing? Also, if Jesus instituted Sunday as the New covenant Lords Day, why did he not tell his disciples at the last supper held in the upper room? It seems very strange that He mentioned nothing about this very large change in the commandments and yet He knew He was going to die on the cross the very next day. It says right in Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. What this is saying is that when we die, we have our will confirmed and no one can change it anymore. Jesus said nothing about a change of a holy day before His death and therefore any change that has been made comes from man who has no right to do any thing of the kind. Man is not my savior, Jesus is. Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
I would like to point out the two verses above to everyone. First Our Lord says He doesn’t change and then He states that the law of the Lord is perfect.
So why was it that the only commandment of the ten that identifies God as creator (His right of rule) of heaven and earth (His Domain) is the one commandment that needed changing? Also, if Jesus instituted Sunday as the New covenant Lords Day, why did he not tell his disciples at the last supper held in the upper room? It seems very strange that He mentioned nothing about this very large change in the commandments and yet He knew He was going to die on the cross the very next day.
It says right in Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. What this is saying is that when we die, we have our will confirmed and no one can change it anymore. Jesus said nothing about a change of a holy day before His death and therefore any change that has been made comes from man who has no right to do any thing of the kind. Man is not my savior, Jesus is.

]]> By: JeffB http://bibleqna.com/debates/sunday-the-christians-day-of-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-350 JeffB Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:26:38 +0000 http://bibleqna.com/?p=158#comment-350 I think Norm pretty much covered the Saturday/Sunday argument, but as for the Eph 5:19 question. Yes, "melody" (psallo) does mean "to pluck", but Paul goes on to show what it is that is to be plucked when he says, "making melody IN THE HEART". So, it is the heart strings that is to be plucked, not a mechanical instrument. I think Norm pretty much covered the Saturday/Sunday argument, but as for the Eph 5:19 question. Yes, “melody” (psallo) does mean “to pluck”, but Paul goes on to show what it is that is to be plucked when he says, “making melody IN THE HEART”. So, it is the heart strings that is to be plucked, not a mechanical instrument.

]]> By: Norm http://bibleqna.com/debates/sunday-the-christians-day-of-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-348 Norm Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:28:22 +0000 http://bibleqna.com/?p=158#comment-348 I guess you're going to tell us that the Catholic church changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday and that Sunday worship is actually the mark of the beast, right? Well, I'm all for placing the blame where blame is due, and the Catholic Church sure does deserve the blame for a lot of stuff, but not Sunday worship. That's right from the Bible, as I have already shown. What you can put on the Catholic Church, or Constantine anyway, is erroneously calling Sunday the "Christian Sabbath." I agree 100% that the term "Christian Sabbath" is an unscriptural term. The Christian day of worship is not the Sabbath and the Sabbath can't be moved to another day, its always been Saturday and it will always be Saturday. So, the Christian day of worship should not be referred to as the "Christian Sabbath." It just gives folks like you something to yell about. According to most Sabbatarians I have talked with, The Christian day of worship supposedly got changed from Saturday to Sunday in the 4th Century AD. Actually, that's when Constantine issued the first no work laws for Sunday and erroneously called it the "Christian Sabbath" (ca. 321 AD). Historically, however, early Christians were worshipping on Sunday long before this. For example, Justin Martyr (110-165) wrote this in the mid 2nd Century AD: "And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place…But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly." He gives a detailed description of this "common assembly," telling how they would pray and read Scripture (Acts 2:42), give of their means (1 Cor. 16:1, 2) and take the Lord's Supper (Acts 20:7). Isn't that funny how Justin describes the church in the early 2nd Century doing to same things that they did in the 1st Century church and says they did it on Sunday. By the way, Acts 2:42; 1 Cor. 16:1, 2 and Acts 20:7 were all on Sunday. In another example of very early 2nd Century writing (ca. 150 or earlier), the Didache says: "And on the Lord’s own day gather yourselves together and break bread and give thanks." Hey! Is it just me or does that sound a lot like Acts 20:7? So, the Lord's own day (Rev. 1:10) was when they came together to take the Lord's Supper! In his "Letter to The Magnesians," Ignatius wrote: "If then those who had walked in ancient practices attained unto newness of hope, no longer observing sabbaths but fashioning their lives after the Lord’s day, on which our life also arose through Him" (9:1, ca. 115 AD). So, a writer who lived during the 1st Century apostolic age referred to the Lord's Day being not according to the Jewish sabbaths but according to the day the Lord arose. Uh, that would be Sunday (Mark 9:3), not Saturday. Philip Schaff, probably the most widely used and respected church historian in the past hundred years at least, had this to say about the antiquity of Sunday worship: "The universal and uncontradicted Sunday observance in the second century can only be explained by the fact that it had its roots in apostolic practice. Such observance is the more to be appreciated as it had no support in civil legislation before the age of Constantine." Now, for me it is enough to have the biblical passages saying that the early church, the New Testament church, worshipped on Sunday. But I realize that others need a little more help to break down the preconceptions and biases. So, I hope this little history lesson will help you realize that Sunday has been the day of Christian worship from the first assembly of the first church in Acts 2:42, which was on the day of Pentecost - which was alway on Sunday. I guess you’re going to tell us that the Catholic church changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday and that Sunday worship is actually the mark of the beast, right?

Well, I’m all for placing the blame where blame is due, and the Catholic Church sure does deserve the blame for a lot of stuff, but not Sunday worship. That’s right from the Bible, as I have already shown. What you can put on the Catholic Church, or Constantine anyway, is erroneously calling Sunday the “Christian Sabbath.” I agree 100% that the term “Christian Sabbath” is an unscriptural term. The Christian day of worship is not the Sabbath and the Sabbath can’t be moved to another day, its always been Saturday and it will always be Saturday. So, the Christian day of worship should not be referred to as the “Christian Sabbath.” It just gives folks like you something to yell about.

According to most Sabbatarians I have talked with, The Christian day of worship supposedly got changed from Saturday to Sunday in the 4th Century AD. Actually, that’s when Constantine issued the first no work laws for Sunday and erroneously called it the “Christian Sabbath” (ca. 321 AD). Historically, however, early Christians were worshipping on Sunday long before this. For example, Justin Martyr (110-165) wrote this in the mid 2nd Century AD: “And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place…But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly.” He gives a detailed description of this “common assembly,” telling how they would pray and read Scripture (Acts 2:42), give of their means (1 Cor. 16:1, 2) and take the Lord’s Supper (Acts 20:7). Isn’t that funny how Justin describes the church in the early 2nd Century doing to same things that they did in the 1st Century church and says they did it on Sunday. By the way, Acts 2:42; 1 Cor. 16:1, 2 and Acts 20:7 were all on Sunday.

In another example of very early 2nd Century writing (ca. 150 or earlier), the Didache says: “And on the Lord’s own day gather yourselves together and break bread and give thanks.” Hey! Is it just me or does that sound a lot like Acts 20:7? So, the Lord’s own day (Rev. 1:10) was when they came together to take the Lord’s Supper!

In his “Letter to The Magnesians,” Ignatius wrote: “If then those who had walked in ancient practices attained unto newness of hope, no longer observing sabbaths but fashioning their lives after the Lord’s day, on which our life also arose through Him” (9:1, ca. 115 AD). So, a writer who lived during the 1st Century apostolic age referred to the Lord’s Day being not according to the Jewish sabbaths but according to the day the Lord arose. Uh, that would be Sunday (Mark 9:3), not Saturday.

Philip Schaff, probably the most widely used and respected church historian in the past hundred years at least, had this to say about the antiquity of Sunday worship: “The universal and uncontradicted Sunday observance in the second century can only be explained by the fact that it had its roots in apostolic practice. Such observance is the more to be appreciated as it had no support in civil legislation before the age of Constantine.”

Now, for me it is enough to have the biblical passages saying that the early church, the New Testament church, worshipped on Sunday. But I realize that others need a little more help to break down the preconceptions and biases. So, I hope this little history lesson will help you realize that Sunday has been the day of Christian worship from the first assembly of the first church in Acts 2:42, which was on the day of Pentecost – which was alway on Sunday.

]]> By: shawn http://bibleqna.com/debates/sunday-the-christians-day-of-worship/comment-page-1/#comment-345 shawn Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:44:11 +0000 http://bibleqna.com/?p=158#comment-345 You still have yet to show any scripural authority for Sunday worship. None of the passages you gave even hint at that. Your totally taking Acts 20:7-11 out of context as well as 1 Cor. 16:2. If you would like I could give you a complete breakdown on what those passages actually mean in there context? Just let me know. Also, what do you do with Eph. 5:19 the greek word for "melody" means to use a stringed instrument? So, how could you say the New Testament doesn't mention instruments. You still have yet to show any scripural authority for Sunday worship. None of the passages you gave even hint at that. Your totally taking Acts 20:7-11 out of context as well as 1 Cor. 16:2. If you would like I could give you a complete breakdown on what those passages actually mean in there context? Just let me know. Also, what do you do with Eph. 5:19 the greek word for “melody” means to use a stringed instrument? So, how could you say the New Testament doesn’t mention instruments.

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